February 11, 1807 — to Edward Dromgoole
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Edward Dromgoole was an old friend of Asbury. His home in Virginia was Asbury’s stopping place. For a time he was a traveling preacher, but located and became a local preacher. Asbury foresees some of the problems of a delegated General Conference. He is concerned greatly for a strong general
superintendency. He reports on what was done at the Virginia Conference which met at Newbern, North Carolina.
PINNERS, N.C. [NEAR MURFREESBORO]
February 11, 1807
[TO EDWARD DROMGOOLE]1
My very dear Friend:
Great grace attend thee and thine. I greatly desired to see thee, but duty calls me to Norfolk. I must travel like the mail stage, 5000 miles in 10 months, or less. The conference is appointed in Lynchburg next year. It is judged we must sit in a town. Glorious tidings, 1000 added in the Western [conference] the same as in the Southern, and 3000 in old Virginia, added nineteen preachers. Brother Chandler2 reports, at campmeeting alone, in Delaware District 7 months, 7000 converted; and half the number sanctified. Brother Mead3 about 2000, Chandler had 150 days and nights, in the woods, Brother Mead 90. Our wicked towns and cities are greatly visited.
Campmeetings prevail generally. I have heard of Simeon and Levi. Brother Bruce4 is a Virginian, and Carolinian, your presiding elder. Before we left Newbern between 60 and 70 had joined society. I trust that it will be found that near one hundred were convicted, or converted at Conference; it was a great season. It was a time of love, and union among the preachers, our conferences in general are as the anti-chamber of heaven. An attempt was made under the patronage of the New York Conference —— when the Superintendency, the four eastern conferences concurred almost in unanimity, but it was carried [?] out with great odium in Virginia. I refer you to Philip Bruce, but it was all Simeon and Levi, O’Kelly5 over again. I have done what I thought, but if I am called away ere long, and all the conferences become separate and independent, I am clear. From the present fare of things in the year 1808 we shall minute 600 travelling preachers, 300 will be elders and claim a seat in General Conference, 150 will be within 200 miles of the place of sitting, the other 150 at the distance of 400 and others 800, to come 1200 and 1600 miles to General Conference. We may hope for only a partial6 promiscuous aristocratical spiritual body under no tie by constitution, or any check from the superintendency, doctrine, discipline, or order may go, but God will preserve. I had wished to retreat from the weight of the work, but when or by what means. I am like you, and all heads of families, the most to do in the last of life. From 16 to 62 years of my life I have been doing for others and my own soul. I do not wish to leave this connection as unorganized as Mr. Wesley from lamented necessity left the British, when we are in a free country; and may form as we think best. However I am a servant, and a martyr, if need be to the cause of God. He has blest me and by his grace I will not draw back, but think of all the ponderous load, but oh the prayers of God’s people.
One thing is and will be secured. We are missionaries, while I move others will, the same ——7 myself, —— shall have every order of —— life of the cause. I shall be pleased if you would write to me. I enclose a ten dollar bill for Father McKendree,8 sent by dear Billy.9 I suppose it is good, but you will keep the number. I took it from the South Conference. Billy was well and doing well, he sees as do others with me.
I believe all the presiding elders in this and other conferences, see and feel the need of a strong united superintendency, not very large but from as a threefold Lord. I am greatly happy in God and supported far beyond my own and the expectation of others. I have this to say, I never sought myself. My intention never was impure. My eye was always single, and that by the prayers of the people. God has given me support. I doubt there is such a man as Simeon10 (I put the eldest first) in the whole connection and yet I believe he does not believe me to be what his conduct sometimes signifies to me and others. Do write me at any time, or any town, or city, I go through I shall honor your letters as I do in general [?] that write to me. I am not immortal, glory to God everlasting.
Love attend thee, as ever thine,
F. ASBURY
P.S. We had 67 ministers. Six are gone to the South Conference, we are full in an enlargement with a number of young men, but we may expect departures from the work, it is surprising that notwithstanding we had but one married preacher, we were insolvent, near 1,000 dollars, either the Virginians cannot beg or the people are covetous or the preachers are laying up money and the people are withheld.
P.S. I refer you to Mr. Wesley’s notes and calculations on Revelations 17 chapter, and see where you can find the beast that was to rise and reign from 1834 to 1836, if he is not risen now, if so his reign will be short. Edward Dromgoole Papers, Southern Historical Collection,
University of North Carolina Library
Notes (10)
- Edward Dromgoole was a local preacher living on the Greensville Circuit, one of the earliest American preachers. He traveled from 1774 to 1780 and from 1783 to 1786. ↩
- William P. Chandler, presiding elder on the Delaware District. ↩
- Stith Mead was presiding elder on the Richmond District, Virginia. ↩
- Philip Bruce was presiding elder on the Norfolk District, Virginia. Later in this letter Asbury says Bruce will tell Dromgoole about the conference. The conference was voting on the proposal of the delegated General Conference. The minutes of the conference say: “The New York conference having written a circular letter to the several Annual Conferences, proposing a plan to strengthen the Superintendency, the letter was read in this Conference, and a vote was taken yesterday, ‘shall we concur in the subject?’ Only seven were in favor of the motion. The subject was called up again to-day, and a second vote was taken; fourteen were in favor of it. It is therefore the decision of this Conference not to be concerned in it. “The purport of this measure is thus given by Bangs, in his History of the Methodist Episcopal Church: “‘This year [1806] a paper was submitted to the Annual Conferences, beginning with the Baltimore Conference, by Bishop Asbury, in favor of calling a General Conference of seven delegates from each Annual Conference, to meet in the city of Baltimore, in May, 1807, for the purpose of strengthening the Episcopacy. “‘This paper was referred to a committee to consider and report thereon, and all the Conferences except Virginia reported in favor of the proposition, and elected their delegates accordingly.’” (See Bennett, Memorials of Methodism in Virginia, 507-8.) ↩
- James O’Kelly, who led the schism into the Republican Methodist, later Christian, Church. It finally united with the Congregational Church to form the Congregational Christian Church. ↩
- As the conference of 1808 is approached, Asbury is wondering as to whether they will vote for a delegated General Conference or not. ↩
- Letter defaced in these places. ↩
- Father of William McKendree. ↩
- William McKendree. ↩
- The reference is to Jesse Lee and his opposition. It is not clear whether O’Kelly is Simeon and Jesse Lee is Levi. (Also see Genesis 49:5-7.) ↩